I figured that subject line really caught your attention. I just needed to
post about what happened to me and my Presidential Series #1 yesterday.
I went out to do maintenance on my boxes. I removed the logbooks from the
first 4 and have decided to only put logbooks at the end of each 5 box
series. I completed the first series and went on to the second when I
realized I missed a box. When I went back to do that box, which was the end
of series 1, I found a group of girl scouts at the box. I said hi, helped
them locate box 3 and figured I would come back another day to update that
box. Well, it was sort of nagging at me to finish the series and I figured
the one box would take me about 10 minutes so at 7:00 last night I dragged
Max back into the woods.
To my utter horror I found the last box laying completely out in the open.
No attempt was made to hide it. It looks as if the last girl stamped in and
in a rush not to be left behind just tossed the box on top of the spot the
box was hidden. The lid was partly off and nothing was in a baggy. So of
course I had to check the rest of the boxes. EVERY BOX was in similar
condition. Totally out in the open the lids off and in one box the stamp was
sandwiched between the ink pad and the ink pad lid with the top off the box.
Even the box I helped the kids find before I left them I said in front of
the leaders to make sure it is hidden the way it was before you leave. Sure
enough it was just set on the wall in plain sight.
If I had not gone back last night my entire first series would have been
lost either by vandals or by the rain. Thank goodness they didn't look for
Aarons B-Day box, that is in such a high traffic area it wouldn't have
lasted until 7pm.
I guess my point is ADULTS if you take kids letterboxing YOU ARE IN CHARGE!
You can not expect 7 or 8 year olds to re hide a box the way it should be.
If there are too many kids for you to control take less. If you don't have
time to do an entire series just do one box but teach kids how to care for
the box, hide it like it should be and have some respect for the hobby.
Even Max, who is 6, knows what is expected of him in regards to other
peoples boxes and letterboxing etiquette. Every child needs to be taught
that. I put allot of care into my boxes and I certainly try to treat other
boxes like I would have my own cared for. I hope others do the same. We
would lose a whole lot less boxes to vandals if we did.
I just want folks to pay more attention to how they leave boxes before they
move on. And if you can't take care of them please don't do any of my boxes.
~JustBeth
LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
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Started on 2004-05-14
[LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Just Beth (JustBeth65@msn.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 13:46:33 UTC
Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 07:37:57 UTC-07:00
Beth,
One of the things that really disturbs me about this
story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
I know aren't!
As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
are reminded by your experience that we have to take
an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
BarefootLucy
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One of the things that really disturbs me about this
story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
I know aren't!
As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
are reminded by your experience that we have to take
an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
BarefootLucy
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Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Greg P (sectionhiker2000@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 10:33:29 UTC-07:00
Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved in Scouting for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout. The best why to do letterboxing with Scouts is to plant your own. By doing this you can teach; map reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following dirrections and other things. When you make it a game and pit one group against the other you teach them to rehide them and cover up their trail. You cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more can be done by leaders that take their position serious. Leaders have to take the time and design their own courses. That is part of what being a leader is all about.
Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility. If they are not ready to assume the responsibility then they should not be in that position.
Barefoot Lucy wrote:
Beth,
One of the things that really disturbs me about this
story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
I know aren't!
As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
are reminded by your experience that we have to take
an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
BarefootLucy
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Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility. If they are not ready to assume the responsibility then they should not be in that position.
Barefoot Lucy
Beth,
One of the things that really disturbs me about this
story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
I know aren't!
As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
are reminded by your experience that we have to take
an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
BarefootLucy
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Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: LoneLetterboxer (JustBeth65@msn.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 17:52:05 UTC
As the mother of 3 scouts ages 16,12 and 6. It was my intention to
stress that it most certainly was the Leaders responsibilty to make
sure the boxes were cared for and properly returned. Especially
seeing that these were very young kids to begin with. I also don't
expect from my 6 year old what I expect from my 16 year old or from
my 12 year old for that matter. However, the kids who are not taught
to respect the environment today are the ones you see tossing their
fast food garbage out the car window and emptying their ashtrays in
the parking lot tomarrow.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Greg P
wrote:
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved in Scouting
for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout. The best why to do
letterboxing with Scouts is to plant your own. By doing this you can
teach; map reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
dirrections and other things. When you make it a game and pit one
group against the other you teach them to rehide them and cover up
their trail. You cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
can be done by leaders that take their position serious. Leaders have
to take the time and design their own courses. That is part of what
being a leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility. If they are
not ready to assume the responsibility then they should not be in
that position.
> Barefoot Lucy wrote:
> Beth,
>
> One of the things that really disturbs me about this
> story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
> to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
> well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
> Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
> did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
> at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
> and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
> from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
> put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
> scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
> I know aren't!
>
> As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
> that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
> world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
> are reminded by your experience that we have to take
> an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
> the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
>
>
> BarefootLucy
>
>
>
>
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stress that it most certainly was the Leaders responsibilty to make
sure the boxes were cared for and properly returned. Especially
seeing that these were very young kids to begin with. I also don't
expect from my 6 year old what I expect from my 16 year old or from
my 12 year old for that matter. However, the kids who are not taught
to respect the environment today are the ones you see tossing their
fast food garbage out the car window and emptying their ashtrays in
the parking lot tomarrow.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Greg P
wrote:
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved in Scouting
for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout. The best why to do
letterboxing with Scouts is to plant your own. By doing this you can
teach; map reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
dirrections and other things. When you make it a game and pit one
group against the other you teach them to rehide them and cover up
their trail. You cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
can be done by leaders that take their position serious. Leaders have
to take the time and design their own courses. That is part of what
being a leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility. If they are
not ready to assume the responsibility then they should not be in
that position.
> Barefoot Lucy
> Beth,
>
> One of the things that really disturbs me about this
> story is that one of the main purposes of scouting is
> to teach young people responsibility and respect, as
> well as to care for our natural surroundings (for Boys
> Scouts anyway, and I'm sure for Girls as well). How
> did that scout leader promote that purpose? Not well
> at all. I have this vision of half-eaten sandwiches
> and discarded baggies laying somewhere in the woods
> from a picnic they may have had too. You are right to
> put the burden on their adult leader though. Most
> scout leaders aren't that careless, at least the ones
> I know aren't!
>
> As a scouter and a letterboxer, I hope (and believe)
> that scouters have a lot to add to the letterboxing
> world. I hope that those of us who are in both worlds
> are reminded by your experience that we have to take
> an extra measure of care when we expose our scouts to
> the workmanship and inspiration of other letterboxers.
>
>
> BarefootLucy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 12:03:12 UTC-07:00
Greg,
Interesting you mention this approach. Several months
ago, there was a brief discussion about letterboxing
with scouts and several of us had done just what you
suggested.
For my part, we took cub scouts, which is a little
younger than the boys you work with I'm guessing. We
went on a pack campout and boxed as one of the
activities. There were two very good "real" boxes
right there in the park we were at, but my daughter
and I went a couple of days in advance and planted
five boxes. We had stickers and a small notebook in
the box and the scout took a sticker and put in their
notebook and signed into our notebook. We split the
group and sent them out in pairs with one adult per
pair and we very carefully explained how to do it
properly. We gave each group a compass and showed
them how to pace. We also made sure the adults knew
the etiquette type rules of the game.
As they hunted, my daughter and I roamed and offered
our assistance and suggestions. It became very
apparent who the good boxers were and who the "not so
good" ones were. I think I would have a very
difficult time taking a whole group of scouts out to
real boxes, at least not until I felt they really
understood and could be trusted with the whole
process.
BarefootLucy
--- Greg P wrote:
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved
> in Scouting for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout.
> The best why to do letterboxing with Scouts is to
> plant your own. By doing this you can teach; map
> reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
> dirrections and other things. When you make it a
> game and pit one group against the other you teach
> them to rehide them and cover up their trail. You
> cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
> can be done by leaders that take their position
> serious. Leaders have to take the time and design
> their own courses. That is part of what being a
> leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility.
> If they are not ready to assume the responsibility
> then they should not be in that position.
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Interesting you mention this approach. Several months
ago, there was a brief discussion about letterboxing
with scouts and several of us had done just what you
suggested.
For my part, we took cub scouts, which is a little
younger than the boys you work with I'm guessing. We
went on a pack campout and boxed as one of the
activities. There were two very good "real" boxes
right there in the park we were at, but my daughter
and I went a couple of days in advance and planted
five boxes. We had stickers and a small notebook in
the box and the scout took a sticker and put in their
notebook and signed into our notebook. We split the
group and sent them out in pairs with one adult per
pair and we very carefully explained how to do it
properly. We gave each group a compass and showed
them how to pace. We also made sure the adults knew
the etiquette type rules of the game.
As they hunted, my daughter and I roamed and offered
our assistance and suggestions. It became very
apparent who the good boxers were and who the "not so
good" ones were. I think I would have a very
difficult time taking a whole group of scouts out to
real boxes, at least not until I felt they really
understood and could be trusted with the whole
process.
BarefootLucy
--- Greg P
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved
> in Scouting for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout.
> The best why to do letterboxing with Scouts is to
> plant your own. By doing this you can teach; map
> reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
> dirrections and other things. When you make it a
> game and pit one group against the other you teach
> them to rehide them and cover up their trail. You
> cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
> can be done by leaders that take their position
> serious. Leaders have to take the time and design
> their own courses. That is part of what being a
> leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility.
> If they are not ready to assume the responsibility
> then they should not be in that position.
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Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Greg P (sectionhiker2000@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 13:37:43 UTC-07:00
I remember that brief discussion. I said the same thing at that time. If you make it a game and the game is fun you can sprinkle in some learning and they will never know it. With Cub Scouts I would de-emphasize the competition and focus on the basics. But the key is to take the time to plant your own boxes, set up a course that is at the level of the kids. With the Boy Scouts I had them bushwacking. You plan a camp out and use it as a learning activity.
Barefoot Lucy wrote: Greg,
Interesting you mention this approach. Several months
ago, there was a brief discussion about letterboxing
with scouts and several of us had done just what you
suggested.
For my part, we took cub scouts, which is a little
younger than the boys you work with I'm guessing. We
went on a pack campout and boxed as one of the
activities. There were two very good "real" boxes
right there in the park we were at, but my daughter
and I went a couple of days in advance and planted
five boxes. We had stickers and a small notebook in
the box and the scout took a sticker and put in their
notebook and signed into our notebook. We split the
group and sent them out in pairs with one adult per
pair and we very carefully explained how to do it
properly. We gave each group a compass and showed
them how to pace. We also made sure the adults knew
the etiquette type rules of the game.
As they hunted, my daughter and I roamed and offered
our assistance and suggestions. It became very
apparent who the good boxers were and who the "not so
good" ones were. I think I would have a very
difficult time taking a whole group of scouts out to
real boxes, at least not until I felt they really
understood and could be trusted with the whole
process.
BarefootLucy
--- Greg P wrote:
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved
> in Scouting for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout.
> The best why to do letterboxing with Scouts is to
> plant your own. By doing this you can teach; map
> reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
> dirrections and other things. When you make it a
> game and pit one group against the other you teach
> them to rehide them and cover up their trail. You
> cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
> can be done by leaders that take their position
> serious. Leaders have to take the time and design
> their own courses. That is part of what being a
> leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility.
> If they are not ready to assume the responsibility
> then they should not be in that position.
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Barefoot Lucy
Interesting you mention this approach. Several months
ago, there was a brief discussion about letterboxing
with scouts and several of us had done just what you
suggested.
For my part, we took cub scouts, which is a little
younger than the boys you work with I'm guessing. We
went on a pack campout and boxed as one of the
activities. There were two very good "real" boxes
right there in the park we were at, but my daughter
and I went a couple of days in advance and planted
five boxes. We had stickers and a small notebook in
the box and the scout took a sticker and put in their
notebook and signed into our notebook. We split the
group and sent them out in pairs with one adult per
pair and we very carefully explained how to do it
properly. We gave each group a compass and showed
them how to pace. We also made sure the adults knew
the etiquette type rules of the game.
As they hunted, my daughter and I roamed and offered
our assistance and suggestions. It became very
apparent who the good boxers were and who the "not so
good" ones were. I think I would have a very
difficult time taking a whole group of scouts out to
real boxes, at least not until I felt they really
understood and could be trusted with the whole
process.
BarefootLucy
--- Greg P
> Ok my turn to add my two cents, I have been involved
> in Scouting for 20 years. My son is an Eagle Scout.
> The best why to do letterboxing with Scouts is to
> plant your own. By doing this you can teach; map
> reading, compass work, tree ID, plant ID,following
> dirrections and other things. When you make it a
> game and pit one group against the other you teach
> them to rehide them and cover up their trail. You
> cancombine Orienteering and GPS work. So much more
> can be done by leaders that take their position
> serious. Leaders have to take the time and design
> their own courses. That is part of what being a
> leader is all about.
>
> Last but not least it is the LEADERS responsibility.
> If they are not ready to assume the responsibility
> then they should not be in that position.
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RE: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Pam Kleingers (pam@kleingers.net) |
Date: 2004-05-14 16:40:45 UTC-04:00
We also made sure the adults knew
> the etiquette type rules of the game.
>
>
Yes, I think this was an important part of how you worked it. I too am a
scout leader (AHG) and I know the frustration of not being fully informed
about what I am expected to do. I can also envision some "warm body"
leaders (those who are just there to keep adult: child ratios in line)
strolling along and not really helping the scouts learn.
I am sorry to read of the sad experience and thankful the boxes were recover
so quickly! Might be worth dropping a line to the Troop if you have that
info handy, maybe offering to help set up a boxing lesson even. A search of
the archives should yield some great ideas, such as Barefoot Lucy's and
several others.
Mama Stork (who plans on introducing her scouts to l'boxing sometime...when
I have the time to do it right!)>
Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: samanark (samanark@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 21:36:28 UTC
I just recieved an email from a scout leader asking about a
letterbox. His specific question was how far of a hike is it to the
box.
Well, this is a box with pretty cryptic clues. However, in the clues
I direct you to a trail map (via an internet link) and in the clues I
give you the trail names and it's only 10 steps from a certain trail
intersection.
So I directed this scout leader to the trail map (as I did in the
original clue) for him to determine for himself the distance to the
box. To be totally honest, It has been a year since I was at this
park and I have no idea how far it was to the box. It wasn't that
far, cause it only took me about 30 minutes to hide the box!
I have had several questions from Letterboxers lately about clues and
all the information they needed was in the clues to begin with!!
You have to READ the clues carefully and use all the information
given to you (trail maps and links to internet sites for parks)
To me, that is what letterboxing is about! SOLVING A CLUE! IT'S A
MYSTERY!!! I can't give it all to you on a silver platter. I do that
plenty anyway with some drive-by boxes and tons of my clues are--go
here, walk 5 steps and look behind the tree. That gets boring after a
while. Some things in life are going to be a little more difficult.
Some things require that you think a little. That is a GOOD THING!
(In the words of K-Martha)
-Amanda from Seattle
LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: Carlos Brimer (wildhawk@blomand.net) |
Date: 2004-05-14 17:05:49 UTC-05:00
I agree with you on this Amanda, I only have one letterbox so far, and it's
pretty easy. I'm thinking that When/If I hide more I want to make them
progressively harder to find as I gain experience in hiding boxes and
writing clues.
I don't expect all letterboxes to be easy, that would spoil the all fun!!!
Wishing All Letterboxers Everywhere Good Thoughts,
Wildhawk
> To me, that is what letterboxing is about! SOLVING A CLUE! IT'S A
> MYSTERY!!! I can't give it all to you on a silver platter. I do that
> plenty anyway with some drive-by boxes and tons of my clues are--go
> here, walk 5 steps and look behind the tree. That gets boring after a
> while. Some things in life are going to be a little more difficult.
> Some things require that you think a little. That is a GOOD THING!
> (In the words of K-Martha)
>
> -Amanda from Seattle
pretty easy. I'm thinking that When/If I hide more I want to make them
progressively harder to find as I gain experience in hiding boxes and
writing clues.
I don't expect all letterboxes to be easy, that would spoil the all fun!!!
Wishing All Letterboxers Everywhere Good Thoughts,
Wildhawk
> To me, that is what letterboxing is about! SOLVING A CLUE! IT'S A
> MYSTERY!!! I can't give it all to you on a silver platter. I do that
> plenty anyway with some drive-by boxes and tons of my clues are--go
> here, walk 5 steps and look behind the tree. That gets boring after a
> while. Some things in life are going to be a little more difficult.
> Some things require that you think a little. That is a GOOD THING!
> (In the words of K-Martha)
>
> -Amanda from Seattle
Re: [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: rpboehme (rpboehme@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-15 00:06:38 UTC
> I guess my point is ADULTS if you take kids letterboxing YOU ARE IN
CHARGE!
> You can not expect 7 or 8 year olds to re hide a box the way it
should be.
> If there are too many kids for you to control take less. If you
don't have
> time to do an entire series just do one box but teach kids how to
care for
> the box, hide it like it should be and have some respect for the
hobby.
> Even Max, who is 6, knows what is expected of him in regards to
other
> peoples boxes and letterboxing etiquette. Every child needs to be
taught
> that. I put allot of care into my boxes and I certainly try to
treat other
> boxes like I would have my own cared for. I hope others do the
same. We
> would lose a whole lot less boxes to vandals if we did.
>
> I just want folks to pay more attention to how they leave boxes
before they
> move on. And if you can't take care of them please don't do any of
my boxes.
>
> ~JustBeth
I understand what you are sayiing completely. I recently took my
Webelos (older cub scouts - 4th graders) letterboxing to several
easily found letterboxes that I scouted out a few weeks ago (Fish in
Outer Space series in Allentown, PA). It is up to the LEADER to
ENSURE that the box is RETURNED to the proper place. Anything les is
basic cluelessness and shows that the leader that had their
girlscouts there had NO control over their scouts. This is BAD and
makes scouts look BAD.
My bunch is very energetic (got some ADD kids here), but fortunately
I did have some other Dads with me to make sure that things did not
get too hyper. Before we moved onto the next box, I made the guys
wait untill EVERYTHING was put back. It's just common sense and
common courtesy. "People take much time and effort to plant the
boxes, lets respect their work" was the message I hoped to teach. I
think they got it and had a blast. They reinforced some basic
compassing skills and were ready for more.
The message is, if you take scouts letterboxing, you need to have
control over what happens. Anything less is irresponsible.
Hope I wasn't screeding too much....
Lightin' Bug
RPBoehme(at)aol(dot)com
Re: [LbNA] [LbNE] LB'ing with scouts BAD IDEA
From: (mohmers@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-05-17 12:11:16 UTC-04:00
yep, that is why I haven't offered the clues for my boxes to the local boy
scout troop. I figured I would be doing a lot more maintenance.
glad you found everything before it was ruined!!
Mohmers
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scout troop. I figured I would be doing a lot more maintenance.
glad you found everything before it was ruined!!
Mohmers
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